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Two bills make their way through legislation


By Andrea Kelly
Arizona Daily Wildcat
Monday, March 28, 2005
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PHOENIX - The Arizona House of Representatives passed a bill Thursday that would require undocumented immigrants to pay out-of-state tuition at state universities.

Some representatives said they thought the bill was unfair to immigrants whose parents had illegally come to the United States when the child was an infant. Those representatives said it was not the fault of a child who grew up in Arizona to have to pay more for education when their own migration was out of their control.

Representatives in support of the bill said the simple solution is for people to make sure they immigrate legally when coming to the United States.

Rep. Pete Rios, D-Hayden, said it is unfair how males 18 years and older have to register for selective service without any residency verification but that, with the passage of this bill, those same people would not be allowed to pay resident tuition at state universities.

Rep. John Allen, R-Scottsdale, said students who are not legally Arizona residents are not entitled to pay the lower in-state tuition.

Two representatives made more emotional pleas. Rep. Ted Downing, D-Tucson, said the bill was "heartless and cruel" and the negative affects of it would begin immediately.

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, said she will "mourn for students who will be needlessly hurt" by this legislation.

Downing and Sinema said it is unfair for children who had no influence over their own immigration, like infants brought across the border by their parents.

The bill, HB2264, passed the House of Representatives by a 38-to-22 vote, and it now moves to the Senate for consideration.

A bill to allow licensed gun owners to bring their firearm into a bar, as long as they do not to drink at the time, is progressing through the House of Representatives.

The bill passed the Senate and will next be considered by the full House.

Representatives from the business community and local governments spoke to the House Judiciary Committee Thursday about the negative aspects of the bill and asked legislators not to support the bill.

Michael Preston Green, representing the Arizona Restaurant and Hospitality Association, said the law, which now prohibits guns in bars and restaurants, is not a problem and should not be changed.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," Green said. "We don't think there should be guns in bars any more than we think there should be guns in schools."

Representatives who agreed with Green said guns and alcohol just don't mix.

Others said regulation of the bill would be difficult. Since a concealed weapon is just that, concealed, some asked how a server in a bar would know whether a patron had a gun or not, or what would happen if a person with a gun changed his or her mind and decided they did want to drink.

These questions were not answered by bill supporters, but Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, said the heart of the matter was how many people were prosecuted for bringing guns into prohibited establishments now. No one was able to answer his question at the time, but Quelland said he guessed the bill would not cost businesses money or result in fewer customers if passed.

Downing, a UA research professor of social development, disagreed.

"People like eating and traveling in safe places, that's why they come here," he said.

Downing also responded to arguments that Arizona citizens have the Second Amendment right to bear arms, and said public safety "trumps" the right to bear arms.

The bill, SB1363, would allow establishments that serve liquor to post a sign at the door if the owner did not want to allow firearms on his or her private property.



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